Do you believe this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ut1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's exactly why you need to be careful what you believe any "man" to say or write about the scripture. Funny that people will believe what some man says over what the avowed "Word of God" says.
Can you trust what you've heard about King James?? After all, wasn't it a MAN that disputed his authorized translation? Those of you who like to dispute the KJV, what do you use as your back-up? Words written by a man?
It still takes us back to FAITH, faith that God has preserved His Word as He wants. Either you have faith to believe that or you don't, bottom line.</div></div>

I never said that I don't have a measure of faith in the Bible, I prefer to lean on prayer and conversation between myself and God directly as opposed to the overly likely bastardizations of God's Word.

The Bible and organized religion are fine, but they aren't everything. Your own beliefs based off of prayer and your own findings in life along with a personal relationship with God far outweigh anything that the Bible says. That's my opinion.

If we're defined solely/mainly by what kind of Bible we're reading or what denomination we're a member of, then isn't our focus a little out of whack?

As I had said before counts, the Living Bible is easy to use, and was translated by an american sunday school teacher, I think in 1971 who was tired of trying to get his kids to understand the KJV...Don't quote that thats just what i seem to remember...

As for the person who made the personal comment about me evidently not believing god could preserve his own word... First off you let me and God work on our relationship alone, that's the main problem in the church today, to many people are quick to judge or cast out without taking a look at the whole picture... Why would it matter what Bible I choose to read??? You should be happy to be my brother as a christian...

You are saying that somewhere in the scriptures it says, "there will come a homosexual English King, who will hate anyone fleeing to the americas (Puritans, Pilgrams), and he will organize a team that will translate the Bible, and from then till the end of time, this will be the only Bible you shall read???" Haven't found that in any translation yet

I am a christian, I just choose not to preffer the KJV...If there was a Michael Jackson version, I wouldn't care for it either (using MJ as a refference because he and KJ are alot alike character wise)...Like I said earlier just do your own research on King James himself and then ask yourself if you would join his church if he were a pastor...

Again, I've always heard and been told, that the Bible is a guide. It is through our study and our prayer that it guides us, and how it guides you and me, may be entirely different.

I'll go the most simple example I can give

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Now here is just examples

1)So if someone believeth in God, they won't perish but have everlasting life. Now I believe and I keep sinning, have I stopped believing in God? Nope, so does that mean I have everlasting life?

2)So if someone doesn't believe in God, does that mean they just die and its over, not everlasting life.

3)What is the world that God loved? In Romans 9, you have the following "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated". So does God love the whole world, but right here is an example of someone that God hated, so how is it the whole world then?

Again...I'm not really asking for answers on this, just an example of how someone could study and get different meanings.

Rock, that's also an example of how people get easily confused by the Bible. I don't really see how you can confuse too much when you have a prayer relationship with God and get things straight from Him. That's why I lean on prayer more than Bible.

Here is my back-up UT1 this is a letter written by King James himself, It has the sources documented and such, in case you wish to research my findings:

From The Wisest Fool in Christendom by William McElwee published by Harcourt, Brace and Co., we read a letter King James wrote to Somerset. It was over 2000 words long. Here is a small portion of it:

I leave out of this reckoning your long creeping back and withdrawing yourself from lying in my chamber, notwithstanding my many hundred times earnestly soliciting you to the contrary, accounting that but a point of unkindness. [Page 216]
When King James wanted something for one of his "male favorites," all means were lawful to him. In 1607 Carr was the king's pet. In Jacobean Pageant on page 179 we read:

Young Carr was mounting the ladder and not yet scornful of the base means by which he did ascend. Progressively the vista of honours opened before him. In the closing days of 1607 he was appointed a Gentleman of the Bedchamber and knighted. Early in 1608 he received the King's portrait mounted in gold and diamonds. In January 1609 King James taking advantage of a scribe's ommission of a phrase from a legal document, deprived Sir Walter Raleigh of his estate of Sherborne in Dorset and gave it to his young Scot. Feeling ran high against his act. Lady Raleigh went on her knees before the King and begged to be spared this much out of her husband's ruin, but James, muttering 'I maun have the land, I maun have it for Carr,' refused her. In 1610 Carr benefited from another man's ruin and received the forfeited Scottish estates of Lord Maxwell.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is my back-up UT1 this is a letter written by King James himself, It has the sources documented and such, in case you wish to research my findings:

From The Wisest Fool in Christendom by William McElwee published by Harcourt, Brace and Co., we read a letter King James wrote to Somerset. It was over 2000 words long. Here is a small portion of it:

I leave out of this reckoning your long creeping back and withdrawing yourself from lying in my chamber, notwithstanding my many hundred times earnestly soliciting you to the contrary, accounting that but a point of unkindness. [Page 216]
When King James wanted something for one of his "male favorites," all means were lawful to him. In 1607 Carr was the king's pet. In Jacobean Pageant on page 179 we read:

Young Carr was mounting the ladder and not yet scornful of the base means by which he did ascend. Progressively the vista of honours opened before him. In the closing days of 1607 he was appointed a Gentleman of the Bedchamber and knighted. Early in 1608 he received the King's portrait mounted in gold and diamonds. In January 1609 King James taking advantage of a scribe's ommission of a phrase from a legal document, deprived Sir Walter Raleigh of his estate of Sherborne in Dorset and gave it to his young Scot. Feeling ran high against his act. Lady Raleigh went on her knees before the King and begged to be spared this much out of her husband's ruin, but James, muttering 'I maun have the land, I maun have it for Carr,' refused her. In 1610 Carr benefited from another man's ruin and received the forfeited Scottish estates of Lord Maxwell.
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William McElwee?? What did he know? Was he there? If he was,then so what? Its still his viewpoint, and could be viewed entirely differently from someone else (like in two witnesses to an accident who can have completely different accounts!).

Again, this was all written by a man, so why should I believe any of it? If we go by the pretext that you can't believe the translations of the Bible, because it was altered by a man to suit his purposes, then neither can we believe any other document. I guess the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution just became nullified! [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

And CC, the Bible is not our failsafe, and no denomination can claim total assimilation. The Bible is our companion, to be accompanied by prayer, and worship, and fellowship. If you leave any of those out of your spiritual life, you're missing something.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ut1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And CC, the Bible is not our failsafe, and no denomination can claim total assimilation. The Bible is our companion, to be accompanied by prayer, and worship, and fellowship. If you leave any of those out of your spiritual life, you're missing something. </div></div>

I never said the Bible or a religion/denomination wasn't in my spiritual life. I'm just saying it's not the end-all-to-be-all of how I live my life through faith in God. I don't need the Bible to tell me the big guy exists or to prove that he does. I have my belief that he does because I can speak to him in prayer anytime, anyplace. That's why I put more substance in prayer and lean on it more in my walk than I do Bible teachings or religious teachings in general.

Since when does the Declaration Of Independence or the Constitution qualify as a religious text...

I think they are saying that since the declaration was written by man, it should be nullified??? not sure....

But for some reason they believe the KJV was not written by man, I will admit it is close, and very much better than none at all, but there are lots of things that were changed to suit the times...

Last but not least I will not associate God with a known Homosexual, in which King James was....

As I keep saying in each post, reasearch King James I, tell me what you find....

Oh yeah, UT1, the letter was in McElwee's book, written and preserved from King James himself, not just some myth someone made up...